[Wikimetrics] Changes to "Edits" and "Pages Created" metrics

Discussion:

Kevin Leduc

2014-09-19 00:27:48 UTC

Dear Wikimetrics users,

We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but first
we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do.

"Edits" & "Pages Created"

Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted
(archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and
deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit.

We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages. The
result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics. We
also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report - you
can uncheck the default to include deleted pages.

Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no strong
objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday.

Regards,
Kevin Leduc
Analytics Product Manager
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Tighe Flanagan

2014-09-19 02:43:10 UTC

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I think this would be useful in the cohorts I track on various wikis.
Especially the way you describe with the option to include or not include
it in the configuration.

As a side note -- how does Wikimetrics take into account wikis that have
auto patrol or pending changes enabled (for instance, a user makes an edit
but it might not get approved right away)?

Thanks,
Tighe

--
Tighe Flanagan
Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
Wikimedia Foundation
+1.415.839.6885 x6880
tflanagan at wikimedia.org
education.wikimedia.org

Post by Kevin Leduc
Dear Wikimetrics users,
We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but first
we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do.
"Edits" & "Pages Created"
Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted
(archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and
deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit.
We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages.
The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics.
We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report -
you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages.
Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no strong
objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday.
Regards,
Kevin Leduc
Analytics Product Manager
_______________________________________________
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Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

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Edward Galvez

2014-09-19 05:14:34 UTC

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Hi Kevin,

Thanks for checking on this list. I can't think of a reason this would be a
big problem, especially since you're giving the option to uncheck.

Would you mind sharing the language that you'll be using for the check
boxes? There are many non-english or non-native english speakers who will
be using Wikimetrics.

Thanks!
Edward

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tighe Flanagan <tflanagan at wikimedia.org>

Post by Tighe Flanagan
I think this would be useful in the cohorts I track on various wikis.
Especially the way you describe with the option to include or not include
it in the configuration.
As a side note -- how does Wikimetrics take into account wikis that have
auto patrol or pending changes enabled (for instance, a user makes an edit
but it might not get approved right away)?
Thanks,
Tighe
--
Tighe Flanagan
Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
Wikimedia Foundation
+1.415.839.6885 x6880
tflanagan at wikimedia.org
education.wikimedia.org

Post by Kevin Leduc
Dear Wikimetrics users,
We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but
first we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do.
"Edits" & "Pages Created"
Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted
(archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and
deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit.
We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages.
The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics.
We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report -
you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages.
Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no
strong objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday.
Regards,
Kevin Leduc
Analytics Product Manager
_______________________________________________
Wikimetrics mailing list
Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

_______________________________________________
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Edward Galvez
Program Evaluation Associate
Wikimedia Foundation
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Richard Nevell

2014-09-19 11:06:27 UTC

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Reporting on deleted contributions sounds like a useful function. Would the
same be available for bytes added? Could the report breakdown edits and
deleted edits so you can see what proportion survived?

Post by Edward Galvez
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for checking on this list. I can't think of a reason this would be
a big problem, especially since you're giving the option to uncheck.
Would you mind sharing the language that you'll be using for the check
boxes? There are many non-english or non-native english speakers who will
be using Wikimetrics.
Thanks!
Edward
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tighe Flanagan <tflanagan at wikimedia.org>

Post by Kevin Leduc
Dear Wikimetrics users,
We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but
first we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do.
"Edits" & "Pages Created"
Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted
(archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and
deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit.
We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages.
The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics.
We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report -
you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages.
Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no
strong objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday.
Regards,
Kevin Leduc
Analytics Product Manager
_______________________________________________
Wikimetrics mailing list
Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

_______________________________________________
Wikimetrics mailing list
Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

--
Edward Galvez
Program Evaluation Associate
Wikimedia Foundation
_______________________________________________
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Wikimedia UK
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United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
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operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
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Nuria

2014-09-19 16:38:13 UTC

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At this time the report will report just the 'edit' count but will not make differentiate among deleted and non deleted pages.

Reporting on deleted contributions sounds like a useful function. Would the same be available for bytes added? Could the report breakdown edits and deleted edits so you can see what proportion survived?

Post by Edward Galvez
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for checking on this list. I can't think of a reason this would be a big problem, especially since you're giving the option to uncheck.
Would you mind sharing the language that you'll be using for the check boxes? There are many non-english or non-native english speakers who will be using Wikimetrics.
Thanks!
Edward

I think this would be useful in the cohorts I track on various wikis. Especially the way you describe with the option to include or not include it in the configuration.
As a side note -- how does Wikimetrics take into account wikis that have auto patrol or pending changes enabled (for instance, a user makes an edit but it might not get approved right away)?
Thanks,
Tighe
--
Tighe Flanagan
Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
Wikimedia Foundation
+1.415.839.6885 x6880
tflanagan at wikimedia.org
education.wikimedia.org

Post by Kevin Leduc
Dear Wikimetrics users,
We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but first we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do.
"Edits" & "Pages Created"
Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted (archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit.
We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages. The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics. We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report - you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages.
Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no strong objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday.
Regards,
Kevin Leduc
Analytics Product Manager
_______________________________________________
Wikimetrics mailing list
Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

_______________________________________________
Wikimetrics mailing list
Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

--
Richard Nevell
Assistant Office Manager
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 20 7065 0753
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
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Edward Galvez

2014-09-30 18:31:57 UTC

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Hi all,

I wanted to follow up with this. Will the Bytes added metric also include
bytes added/removed from deleted pages?

Thanks!
Edward

Post by Nuria
At this time the report will report just the 'edit' count but will not
make differentiate among deleted and non deleted pages.
On Sep 19, 2014, at 4:06 AM, Richard Nevell <
Reporting on deleted contributions sounds like a useful function. Would
the same be available for bytes added? Could the report breakdown edits and
deleted edits so you can see what proportion survived?

Post by Kevin Leduc
Dear Wikimetrics users,
We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but
first we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do.
"Edits" & "Pages Created"
Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were
deleted (archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an
edit and deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created
page or edit.
We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages.
The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics.
We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report -
you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages.
Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no
strong objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday.
Regards,
Kevin Leduc
Analytics Product Manager
_______________________________________________
Wikimetrics mailing list
Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

_______________________________________________
Wikimetrics mailing list
Wikimetrics at lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

--
Richard Nevell
Assistant Office Manager
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 20 7065 0753
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
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Dan Andreescu

2014-09-30 19:40:49 UTC

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Post by Edward Galvez
I wanted to follow up with this. Will the Bytes added metric also include
bytes added/removed from deleted pages?

Not with the release that we're deploying this Thursday. Each metric has
to be changed individually, so for now we're only changing "Edits" and
"Pages Created". If this kind of change is useful to you though, please do
make a case for it and we will do our best.
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